to obtain clairvoyance

topic posted Sun, March 28, 2004 - 10:01 PM by  ari moshe
is there a way for one to acheive cliarvoyance?
i spent the past 7 months in nature alone and i began receiving certain feelings and thoughts and inner messages that came slowly but strongly- i want to develop that and attune myself to receive more.
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ari moshe
Washington
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    Sun, March 28, 2004 - 10:07 PM
    I have heard from many different sources that meditation has a tendency to increase clairvoyant abilities. I have also experienced this on my own. Sometimes when I meditate, I will receive verbal messages that tell me (vague) things about my future.
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      Sun, March 28, 2004 - 10:14 PM
      my astrological chart indicates that i have a potential ability for esp (if i remember correctly it is b/c of a conjunction between murkery and neptune). do you know anything about your natal chart?
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        Wed, March 31, 2004 - 11:31 PM
        I have my natal chart in hand, but I did not know it could say anything about one's ability to have clairvoyant abilities. Any info. you want to share with us on this?

        Thanks!

        Brian
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        Thu, April 1, 2004 - 5:39 PM
        Natal charts--I am not a great believer in those--so many types based on various astromical facts, understood by few and requiring a PhD to spell, and they instead rely on a far greater number of falsehoods understood as fact but an unknowing public. For starters, most of the basic "sun" signs are wrong in that presently the sun doesnt even rise in those signs on the given dates. It's not like all the constellations occupy an equal 72-degree arc, evenly distributed across the horizon. For example, the sun only rises in Scorpius for 7 days, while it resides in Virgo for 45. Most people have never even heard of the sign Ophiuchus, for example, but there it is in the sky for most of the period attributed to Scorpius. Just try finding a horoscope or natal chart that includes Ophiuchus Nonetheless, some charts, properly done, can help demonstrate one's *potentials*, as can other less esoteric traditions as investigating one's family tree or visting a psychologist. Personally I feel that past lives play a much greater role and supercede anything a natal chart could tell you as the chart only reflects potential choices given to the entity in this particular incarnation by the greater Self personality. It's just a general framework for this brief period of time and one can choose to use it or go another route for whatever development is desired. Also, everyone has some ability in the psy field, just as everyone has the ability to try to throw a basketball in a hoop. Some are better than others due to practice, natural ability, and so on. If you're only 5'4" you probably won't be a good ball player because you lack the genetics, the "wiring." There are physical differences in the brains of psychics, just as there are in those of genius mathematecians or austistic savants. Science is just bad at recognizing them. What you may be referring to, however, is "that still small voice," that inner guide, that we all have and that I would not necessarily consider extra-preceptory. Some hear it through meditation, some through art, some through prayer, yoga,--whatever works for you. In developing the ability of clairvoyance, listening to this internal voice is a necessary first step, as one can never understand that which is outside or beyond the self without first understanding the Self within. That voice is your greater Personality attempting to communicate with you, as its proxy, in this environment. It is You, and it is also helping the little you re-connect with the big YOU. A final note: there is an Indian story I believe in the Vedas, also echoed by Jesus in the gospels, in which the gods seeks to hide knowledge from man, similar to the Genesis fruit in that regard... They ask each other if it should be placed in the sea, or a high mountain, or in the air. The discuss the matter and determine that eventually man will build vessels capable of going into the sea or the air or the high places, and thus decide to hide the knowledge in the one place man will never think to look--inside himself.
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          Thu, April 1, 2004 - 8:50 PM
          Now that you mention genetics, I wonder how many of us here have parents or grandparents that exhibited clairvoyant abilities. I have heard stories about my grandmother, having such abilities. Is there any scientific evidence to suggest this is gene-related?
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            Fri, April 2, 2004 - 7:02 PM
            Re: gene relations and psy--yes, there are some studies on the topic though I couldn't name them right off. I would have to spend a few weeks on that to locate anything well done and significant. Any serious work in this regard would have to follow family lines of observed psychics for several generations, and doing so would be nearly impossible in practical terms. Most of the data on the physical or electro-chemical nature of certain psy phenomena is anecdotal, but such things as telepathy between identical twins and triplets has be well-documented, and since we're dealing with twins, genetic similarity is a given and other variables can be controlled. I assume many of those studies are in the published literature on twins. It has also been documented, anecdotally, that many psychics had psychic parents, grandparents, and so on. This tradition exists in wicca also, as well as other spiritual traditions. Edgar Cayce, as a well-known example, stated that his grandfather practiced telekinesis among other things, and could move objects. In my family, personally, my sister has some abilities similar to mine, only less pronounced. I think that the physical capacity is carried in family lines to a great degree, like any other capacities. The proper blend of genes, environment, and personal choice renders the outcome.
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              Mon, May 3, 2004 - 9:38 PM
              hey guys- sorry for the delayed response. i forgot that i posted stuff up here once!

              so nathaniel, after reading your post on astrology i have a strong feeling that you haven't really studied or looked into natal chart analysis all that much. the facts your raised may be true but the conclusions are off. im willing to discuss all that stuff more if your interested. you seem to know more about astronomy than i do.

              about genetics- similar natal chart paterns exist among families. your 2 parents typically have very different patters. the children usually contain a mix if not one more than the other of the patters of thier parents' charts.

              i have a few friends who come from clairvoyant families- it makes sense. just like me and my father and brother are both very good at math (and each of us contain the planet/house placements on our birth charts that indicate a mathematical mind).

              that aspect i was talking about when i first make the post is a septile.
              that is when 2 planets are 360/7 degrees away from eachother. of course not any 2 planets that form a septile will indicate clairvoyant abilities. i have read more about a septile since my posting. maybe clairvoyance isn't the word- but a higher attunement to the universal energy. clairvoyance may be fitting, i dont know.
              bc every planet has its own energy not every septile angle formed will have the same effect.
              from 2001 till 2011 neptune and pluto are in septile with eachother. read about that www.mooncatsastrology.com/nep-p...le.htm

              there is very little written about undicles- that is 360/11. what i've read in this little site here is that it reffers to "psychic gifts"
              heres a site that explains all the aspects including that one.
              www.adze.com/astro/aspects.html

              so check out undicles- im iffy about them bc they haven't been researched all that much. what is your birth info? do you have a birth chart- ill look it up for you if your interested.
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                Sat, May 8, 2004 - 6:34 PM
                I have my chart from Astro.com and have actually been doing a little comparison (before this thread ever started) between myself, Edgar Cayce, Rudolf Steiner, HP Blavatsky, and my girlfriend. Just a little fun project. My chart is similar to Steiner's, Blavatsky's is all over the damn place, and Cayce's is the most extrodinary thing I have ever seen--almost forms a perfect singular triangle. I don't have my chart in hand, but if I remember right, my sun, mars, and pluto are all in Scorpio and my moon is in Libra, as are some other planets. I'm pretty much all in those two. If you want to look me up, I was born 10:49am, in Warren, Ohio, Nov. 1, 1975. For a nice mind-fuck, check out Edgar Cayce, born in Bowling Green Kentucky, March 18, 1877 and 3:15pm.
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            Thu, July 29, 2004 - 11:26 AM
            My father once told me that my great aunt was a druidess, but he was a pathological liar, so I don't know how much of what he told me could be taken at face value. I really don't know much about his side of the family because they were mostly gone by the time I came along. They're all of Irish/English descent though. I administered the card test to all my family, and they did better than average (not that they were particularly cooperative). I couldn't really administer to myself, but I tried just touching the cards and checking the results, which could indicate a goodly amount of telethesia.
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              Mon, September 20, 2004 - 1:12 AM
              I'm a third generation Clairvoyant which have been getting stronger since I was 24. I have used meditation also to strengthin this, but I haven't meditated in a while sadly...
              Steve
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              Mon, September 20, 2004 - 1:12 AM
              I'm a third generation Clairvoyant which have been getting stronger since I was 24. I have used meditation also to strengthin this, but I haven't meditated in a while sadly...
              Steve
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                Mon, September 20, 2004 - 5:11 AM
                I come from a long line of abilities in my family, I don't know how far back exactly, but I do know that my greatgrandmother was very very psyhic, one day she was driving on one end of her town and her husband was in another town, she drove to him and the exact spot where he had pulled over to die. People use to think she was crazy, she was kinda the "outcast" of the community. incidentially I found out from my mom that I was concieved in a haunted barn...i'm not sure if this has anything to do with my gifts but i thought it was pretty cool, once i got the image of my mom and dad out of head lol
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                  Mon, September 20, 2004 - 7:34 PM
                  Interesting that you were conceived in a haunted barn. I discovered very recently that the miles of dunes, grassy fields and ravine forests near Lake Michigan where I roamed for years growing up in Waukegan, IL, was the site of an ancient and large native American Indian burial ground, complete with 30-foot wide burial mounds. I always felt like there were indians watching over me out there, as a kid. Sometimes, I even felt like I was possessed by indian spirits.
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            Mon, September 20, 2004 - 5:46 PM
            Well, my mother was clairaudient and clairvoyant. My grandmother was what some would call a 'fortune teller'. She read palms and tea leaves. SHe was different than most palm readers though....she would read the lines of a hand to gain insight to their charachter, how they worked, how they held themselves etc....but then she would close her eyes and the rest would be revealed to her thru the Great Spirit. She wasn't into the "two lines on the side of your hand means you will have two children", kind of thing. Most of her visions would come to her about a particluar person, when she held their hands and closed her eyes.

            About ESP, telekinesis, teleportation etc, she said we ALL have these gifts inherent in us. Most people have let themselves become too preoccupied with conventional thinking, making 'a living' and over ridden with "fear" (number one taboo). She said that these "gifts" are not just singled out for a certain group, tribe, title or person. Because we are all human being, (HU=animal MAN=angel)we all have these gifts waiting dormant in each and everyone of us if we want to excersize them. Most of us have deactivated pineal glands ready and waiting to be opened. There are, however, 'certain' people who are willing to let go into the unknown and do the work to deprogram their minds from the limited concepts taught to most of us thru schooling, religious dogma, political repression etc.... and tahst why it seems that only certain people have these gifts. Yes, and some are born with a greater kinetic ability passed dowm to them thru lifetimes of incarnation and soul searching.

            I am not an adept of these gifts so I should not speak here like, " This is how it is folks!"... I am merely sharing knowlege that was handed down to me thru my family. I am by far still just an infant in the infinite understanding of our being. In fact I used to yell at my mother to become "normal"... I sometimes just wanted a normal mother.... so much happened to her because of her gift. I understand so much more now... and I am so thankful for her great wisdom, and I understand why I chose her as my mother.

            What I do know is that the more you have 'love' in your being, the more you can resonate at a high frequency openly with all of life and openly recieve knowledge from all walks of life. To understand, to know, to live ... to love.

            Power to the Mystic!
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              Wed, December 22, 2004 - 10:24 PM
              intersting lana,
              i have said things similar to what your grandmother has said regarding all people...(it's also what i came to 'know') and fit what you've shared of her description of certain people. thank you for that part of the reflection.
              you speak of your mother and grandmother in past tense. are you still in communication with them? or they you?


              chriss
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              Tue, January 18, 2005 - 8:39 PM
              "There are, however, 'certain' people who are willing to let go into the unknown and do the work to deprogram their minds from the limited concepts taught to most of us thru schooling, religious dogma, political repression etc...."

              This seems to encapsulate my feelings as well. Many of us are taught as children to ignore our instincts and impulses. I think the first step is listening for instinct and accepting all perceptive thoughts. Then question every belief we've been taught. Ask... "what is the purpose of this belief?" Understand that we create our reality and chose to listen or ignore. I will agree that "fear" is our greatest obsticle to perception.

              For me, there is a key to quieting the mind and it's voice with mediation, while listening to perceptive thought. For me, these are different voices. Also I believe it helps to "take chances" with your thoughts. Accept impulses as quickly as possible. Some will be correct, others may not. Allow your mind to tell you what it knows, instead of what you want to hear.

              I will also say that preception can be annoying for me. Sometimes it's hard to know what will happen, while others are proposing an alternate reality. Sometimes people can't be helped. Sometimes we need to sit back and allow the world to move as it should, to allow lessons to be learned. Being perceptive doesn't always make life easier.
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    Mon, November 22, 2004 - 8:49 AM
    I took classes at the Berkeley Psychic Institute - it was lots of fun and pretty straightforward

    www.berkeleypsychic.com/

    There are a lot of BPI spin offs, don't know if there are any in your part of the US
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      Tue, December 14, 2004 - 11:53 AM
      hi everyone. ive been pretty bust with work so haven't checked here ina hwile. i goyt a lot of great feedback thanks!

      it happens to be something strange happened. i've wanted a teacher for a long time- someone who can guide me and help me develop myself.
      and then i found one. basically i will be living by him for 2 week in penn in a debri shelter in his backyard. he will teach me some wilderness survival and help guide me through meditation. he is a person who i look up to bc he has developed in his life time his psychic abilities- its not something he says he always had.

      ashley. did you ask me "what is it that i want to see"?
      thats a very interesting question. ultimately i want to commune with nature and be able to look into all living beings and understand what they are. i awnt to start this process with myself. i want to stop falling intot he same traps i keep on falling into. i want to heal myself adn then heal others. thats what i want. its not something i want to see- its just something i want to be capable of. i understand more and more as i have been talking to that meditation is the best way. i dont hvae a regular meditation regiment set up for myself yet. my teacher will help me with this.

      did you ask "what do i want to see" bc you can help me?
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        Wed, February 9, 2005 - 7:42 AM
        Hey Ari,

        A good thing to remember is that having a faculty doesn't automatically imply the information arriving through it will be helpful.

        If we're not extremely careful, those subtle and not-so-subtle desires that come along with supernormal powers can take us far away from the goal of spiritual perfection.

        In any case, all the best with your investigations.

        Peace,
        Denny
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    Sat, August 18, 2007 - 8:50 PM
    Wow! I feel like I jumped into this thread late. Clairvoyance is a complicated subject. The reason for this is that it is based upon individuality and it is something you have to find from within yourself. It can be hereditary, but not always. It is having a special awareness to things, people, and energy, both positive and negative. There are many different forms of Clairvoyance, including animal totem, and connections with nature, touching senses, second sight, and even ritual created just to name a few, It can be astrological related, but this would mean energy or visions coming from another source. Anyone can have clairvoyance if they are intelligent enough to observe human nature and life itself. Meditation processes will or can help, but then again, there are many different ways to meditate, and many different uses and purposes for meditating. What works for one person, may not work for another.

    My Clairvoyance comes from two sources; hereditary and Mother Nature. My grandmother on my father’s side was considered the wise woman of the town. She was physically able to talk to plants and animals. She could predict the weather extremely accurate as far as three months in advance, and she was able to predict death. The local farmers would come from miles around to consult her on growing things and getting the best times to harvest. My Clairvoyance is random and not dependable. It is something I cannot force into at any time. It has to come natural. When the mind is free and clear, this is when it is the best. To fill in the gaps whenever I need it, I will meditate in the wilderness away from all human interference. I can always get a sign from Mother Nature as to the outcome of things, even when I don’t meditate.
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      Sat, August 18, 2007 - 9:15 PM
      This may be an older thread but it works for me : )

      I have never meditated consistantly. It does seem that what ever it is that I "see" has been passed down through my family, although It also seems that I "see" more often than anyone else in my family. I have also wondered if maybe it has something to do with my recognition. The rest of my family doesn't seem to recognize or maybe they just don't want to "see". Anyway over the last couple of years I have tried to tune in more now that I have some sort of understanding, with some success. It still unerves me, maybe even more now to a point. Beacause the more tuned it gets, the less physical contact I want to have with any one outside of my blood family. Just shaking some peoples hands unerves me, and lately just being around certain types of people sickens me.

      I don't know and am still trying to understand.

      *peace*

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